WOUTemp power scheme

Re: WOUTemp power scheme

Postby GCRaistlin » 15.03.2019, 17:11

Dalai wrote:No matter how you do something, there will be complaints from somewhere.

If you give a choice (and leave the old behavior by default) there's no reason for complaints.

WSUSUpdateAdmin wrote:The temporary admin user is optional, dependent on automatic recall option.

If Automatic Recall option is checked the temporary admin isn't optional, is it?

WSUSUpdateAdmin wrote:I just set the "switch of monitor" value to one minute without locking the computer, as you and Dalai suggested.
Available in r1018.

Thanks! Can you also implement this for old versions that support products not supported by the current one?
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Re: WOUTemp power scheme

Postby tlh864 » 21.03.2019, 13:47

It needs to be customizable then. One minute is annoying because that makes it hard to run it on multiple computers at the same time and monitor them from one location. instead of being able to watch one computer from another computer and see when the updates are done on that computer, I have to get up every minute now to bring the monitor out of sleep mode on the first computer. The computers I work with are such that I don't use the temporary user option anyway and I have to jiggle the mouse at least every 15 minutes to keep them from being locked. The patches anymore take so long to run in the first place, so blanking the monitor after a minute does not help the process.

Right now I'm running it on a computer while writing this and whenever I look at the computer to see if it's done, I have to get up, walk over to the computer and jiggle the mouse instead of just being able to see the progress from where I'm sitting.

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Re: WOUTemp power scheme

Postby GCRaistlin » 21.03.2019, 17:03

tlh864 wrote:I have to get up every minute now to bring the monitor out of sleep mode on the first computer

The updates are able to be installed without looking at them every minute. When they'll be done the monitor will stop go blanking.
tlh864 wrote:blanking the monitor after a minute does not help the process

It helps not to waste resources without the need.
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Re: WOUTemp power scheme

Postby Dalai » 21.03.2019, 17:44

tlh864 wrote:The computers I work with are such that I don't use the temporary user option anyway and I have to jiggle the mouse at least every 15 minutes to keep them from being locked.

If you don't use the temporary user (and thus no power scheme made by WOU) then why are you complaining when you can prevent Windows from sending the monitor to sleep in its Power Options?

The patches anymore take so long to run in the first place, so blanking the monitor after a minute does not help the process.

But it doesn't hurt either. It doesn't matter whether or not the monitor is sleeping, at least not for the performance or duration of the update process.

Right now I'm running it on a computer while writing this and whenever I look at the computer to see if it's done, I have to get up, walk over to the computer and jiggle the mouse instead of just being able to see the progress from where I'm sitting.

Maybe Remote desktop or VNC or something like that can help?

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Re: WOUTemp power scheme

Postby zimon » 22.03.2019, 06:48

I fully agree to tlh864 - exactly the same situation here. This monitor sleep is simply annoying and quite useless. If it's too much work to make it customizable please undo it.
Dalai wrote:But it doesn't hurt either. It doesn't matter whether or not the monitor is sleeping, at least not for the performance or duration of the update process.
It also doesn't hurt not to send the monitor sleeping.
Dalai wrote:Maybe Remote desktop or VNC or something like that can help?
Why should one set up Remote desktop or VNC with the monitor in sight?

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Re: WOUTemp power scheme

Postby GCRaistlin » 22.03.2019, 16:49

zimon wrote:It also doesn't hurt not to send the monitor sleeping.

It hurts our planet. And you can't switch off the notebook display by pressing a button.
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Re: WOUTemp power scheme

Postby tlh864 » 26.03.2019, 11:36

GCRaistlin and Dalai,

Let me note my observations:

1. When the update process is finished, it does not automatically bring the display back to life. If it did, that would at least help the monitoring process. But it doesn't. In order to check if the update process is finished, I have to manually bring the display back to life. The update process takes a variable amount of time to run, even for different computers. On one set of computers, running the same patches on the same OS, the time it took the update process to run ranged from 21 to 189 minutes. Since I don't wish to try to predict how long the update process will run, I prefer to keep an eye on the computers as they go through the update process. Thus my preference to be able to set the display timeout myself instead of having somebody else force a time on me.

2. On a Windows 7 computer, I left the update process alone for 30 minutes. The system is set up to lock the computer after 15 minutes of inactivity. When the 30 minutes had passed, I manually brought the screen back to life. The update process had run for 10 minutes. And the computer was not locked. I don't consider that satisfactory behavior based upon my expectations that the computer would have been locked.

3. On a Windows 10 computer with the same lock behavior after 15 minutes of inactivity, I found that if I brought the display back to life more than 5 seconds after it goes dark, the computer is locked. Meaning that every time I want to check on the progress of the the update, I have to unlock the computer if I don't keep the display active.

4. The remark was made "when you can prevent Windows from sending the monitor to sleep in its Power Options" -- Doesn't setting power options of my own not work because WSUS substitutes its own power options?

5. VNC or Remote Desktop are not necessarily viable options, especially if I'm monitoring one computer that's not accessible from the second computer via network.

I think 1 minute is too aggressive. My organization's settings specify that the computer should lock after no more than 15 minutes of inactivity which I believe is based upon Microsoft's security settings. If you had used that as the basis of the amount of time to wait before blanking the screen, I wouldn't have any complaints. It appears that you made this decision based upon your own personal beliefs with no provisions to allow others to substitute their own preferences. All in all, I would prefer it if WSUS didn't muck about with the power options at all after having seen your attempt to dictate how it should behave.

By the way, have you tried setting your display timeout to 1 minutes for 100% of the time? I can't imagine having to jiggle the mouse every minute or so if I'm just reading something on the screen where the reading process takes more than a minute.

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Re: WOUTemp power scheme

Postby WSUSUpdateAdmin » 26.03.2019, 15:11

Hi.

- Added /monitoron switch to DoUpdate.cmd script as well as corresponding key to [Miscellaneous] section of UpdateInstaller.ini file (Thanks to "GCRaistlin", "tlh864", "zimon" and "Dalai")

Available in r1025.

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Re: WOUTemp power scheme

Postby zimon » 26.03.2019, 16:21

WSUSUpdateAdmin wrote:... Available in r1025. ...
Thank you *thumbs up*. Lol, I was developing an AutoIt script as a watchdog, that automatically switches back form WOUTemp to the previously active scheme. Now I can mothball that script as a snippet for another use.

BTW: Will r1025 be available until next patchday?

Edit: Here is an easy workaround from TheUser http://forums.wsusoffline.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=8936&start=20#p28306

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Re: WOUTemp power scheme

Postby Dalai » 26.03.2019, 17:19

tlh864 wrote:3. On a Windows 10 computer with the same lock behavior after 15 minutes of inactivity, I found that if I brought the display back to life more than 5 seconds after it goes dark, the computer is locked. Meaning that every time I want to check on the progress of the the update, I have to unlock the computer if I don't keep the display active.

Complain to MS for the change to lock the computer. XP didn't do it, but Win7 and higher do. Maybe there's another way to tune it with powercfg.exe, but I don't know (and somehow I doubt it). Anyway, with the new WOU switch everyone should be satisfied.

4. The remark was made "when you can prevent Windows from sending the monitor to sleep in its Power Options" -- Doesn't setting power options of my own not work because WSUS substitutes its own power options?

You're right. I thought that WSUS Offline would only apply its own power scheme when the autorecall function is used, which is not the case.

5. VNC or Remote Desktop are not necessarily viable options, especially if I'm monitoring one computer that's not accessible from the second computer via network.

That's why I said "maybe they can help". I didn't claim that they provide a solution regardless of the situation.

By the way, have you tried setting your display timeout to 1 minutes for 100% of the time? I can't imagine having to jiggle the mouse every minute or so if I'm just reading something on the screen where the reading process takes more than a minute.

Such timeout is not meant for general use. Reading something is completely different than installing updates in an unattended manner.

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