Windows 10 x64 and Windows Defender Definitions Option Bug ?

Windows 10 x64 and Windows Defender Definitions Option Bug ?

Postby islogged » 30.08.2015, 16:05

Hi

I just want to include Windows Defender Definitions but WSUS Offline Update 10.0 seem to download Microsoft Securtity Essentials in place, is that a bug ?
http://i.imgur.com/TmKqznp.jpg

I've a quota satellite connexion, then it's import for me to download in the good way!

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Re: Windows 10 x64 and Windows Defender Definitions Option B

Postby Denniss » 30.08.2015, 16:26

Since Win8 the Defender known from Vista/7 has been replaced by MSSE (but named Defender on these newer operating systems). Thus WOU downloads MSSE installation files and signature updates.
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Re: Windows 10 x64 and Windows Defender Definitions Option B

Postby islogged » 30.08.2015, 16:39

Since Win8 the Defender known from Vista/7 has been replaced by MSSE (but named Defender on these newer operating systems). Thus WOU downloads MSSE installation files and signature updates.

it's mean it's normal (no bug) if the Windows Defender Definition Option download : tow MSEInstall.exe files + the mpam-fex64.exe file ?
? Right ?
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Re: Windows 10 x64 and Windows Defender Definitions Option B

Postby boco » 30.08.2015, 20:40

To my knowledge, the "Windows Defender Definitions" option does not have any effect on Windows 8 or higher. Since the MSSE-Defender of Win8+ is paert of the OS, WSUSOU always downloads MSSE Definitions for these OS.
Microsoft update catalog: http://catalog.update.microsoft.com/v7/site/
Windows Install media download: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/15088/windows-create-installation-media
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Re: Windows 10 x64 and Windows Defender Definitions Option B

Postby hbuhrmester » 31.08.2015, 00:47

The original "Windows Defender" is only for Windows Vista and Windows 7.

You should select "Microsoft Security Essentials" to get virus definition updates for Windows 8 and higher. You don't need the installers, but the virus definition files are the same for MSSE as for Windows 8 and higher.

The antivirus software of Windows 8 is sometimes also called "Defender", but if you select "Windows Defender definition updates", it will be changed to "Microsoft Security Essentials" internally, depending on the Windows version.

This is from DownloadUpdates.cmd, as of version 10.0, starting at line 151:

Code: Select all
if /i "%3"=="/includemsse" set INC_MSSE=1
if /i "%3"=="/includewddefs" (
  echo %1 | %SystemRoot%\System32\find.exe /I "w62" >nul 2>&1
  if errorlevel 1 (
    echo %1 | %SystemRoot%\System32\find.exe /I "w63" >nul 2>&1
    if errorlevel 1 (
      echo %1 | %SystemRoot%\System32\find.exe /I "w100" >nul 2>&1
      if errorlevel 1 (set INC_WDDEFS=1) else (set INC_MSSE=1)
    ) else (set INC_MSSE=1)
  )
)


So, it is not a bug, but I find this slightly confusing myself.
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Re: Windows 10 x64 and Windows Defender Definitions Option B

Postby islogged » 31.08.2015, 01:24

Thanks for ur help ... but i'm not sure to understand all!
The good news seem : It's not a bug!

But if i just only want download the actual virus base update of Windows Defender for Windows 10 : http://core0.staticworld.net/images/art ... -large.jpg
Wich option in wsusoffline exactly i need to choose ?

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Re: Windows 10 x64 and Windows Defender Definitions Option B

Postby islogged » 31.08.2015, 17:32

You should select "Microsoft Security Essentials" to get virus definition updates for Windows 8 and higher. You don't need the installers, but the virus definition files are the same for MSSE as for Windows 8 and higher.

Same Same, if i donwload MSSE i don't have the virus base update only : http://i.imgur.com/3bZdP0j.jpg

Then it seem not possible to get only the update virus base like with WSUSOffline

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Re: Windows 10 x64 and Windows Defender Definitions Option B

Postby aker » 31.08.2015, 21:48

Under Windows Vista and 7: included "Defender" = Windows Defender
Since Windows 8: included "Defender" = MSSE

So wsusou downloads MSSE definitions when running it for Windows 8 or higher ignoring if you select Defender or MSSE. (wsusou treats the "Defender" on Windows 8 or higher as MSSE, so it runs it's MSSE-behaviour)
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Re: Windows 10 x64 and Windows Defender Definitions Option B

Postby islogged » 01.09.2015, 02:12

for Windows 8 or higher ignoring if you select Defender or MSSE.

Ok, for Windows 10 it's mean :
Include Microsoft Security Essentials Option == Include Windows Defender definition Option

Each options provide the same result!
Right?
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Re: Windows 10 x64 and Windows Defender Definitions Option B

Postby aker » 01.09.2015, 10:05

Yes
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